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  • Kempton Placepot

    Millionaire Fund and I had a chat on his Betfair Promo thread about place pots using a perm with a traders mindset. A difficult concept but it’s something I do now and again.
    He suggested a walk through would be good so I took some shots of a pot at Kempton this evening.

    Done for minimum stakes just to try to capture one to explain better. Sod’s law it came good, wish I’d gone with normal stakes but did not feel the meet suited me, ho hum. At least you get to see the method.

    Placed the bet before first race perm is 24 bets. First race is off, pool is locked £56,174 in the pot (not very good). Do the calc deduct 27% from gross figure (totes take) £41,007 net figure.

    Check how the fist 5 legs are doing, in this case 1x2x1x1x1..All good I’m in. Only got the fav in the last (x1 keeps the perm down). OK gonna hedge out to secure a profit, don’t know what the pot will pay so do the calc.
    Go to Live pool find worst case result. Add the tickets on 1st, 2nd,3rd and un-named fav = 551.35 divide into net pool figure, this gives at worst £7.43 a line. I have 2 lines call it £15.00.

    So go to 6 leg place market lay the runner for £7.00 = liability £2.73 and it’s green with a bias towards the runner placing.

    That’s it. If Betfair use a place pot promo again there might be some value in remembering this method…Stakes are relative to your means, but this is a fun bet, large meetings can see the placepot fund soar and sometimes it worth a look at.

    Read this in conjunction with info on MF’s Betfair Promo thread..
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    I quite often do similar strategy on the quadpots.Only 3 races to perm then banker last fav.Can still pay quite well .Usually i use this as as reward if i make something early on in the day.Helps if you can find 1 more banker then maybe 4x4 taking on favs in other 2 legs and hoping for 2 placed in each.Quadpot fund is normaly bigger if outsiders take first 2 races placings as people have a go when thier placepot is beaten.Also starting from the 3rd race you have any draw bias info.The toy also helps as you can see potential outsiders by volume of money.Good Luck All.

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    • #3
      Thanks for that Trader68, as you say worth a look if the fav’s bomb in the early legs.
      I’ll play that one when we get a slow day cheers..
      Great thing about tote pool betting is you can openly discuss strategies because all players piss in the same pot. More in = bigger pot = bigger dividends.

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      • #4
        Tote returns

        If i have on a placepot or quadpot and dont have access to my computer i normally check the tote place returns on my mobile rather than live pool info to give me an indication on how the pool would be splitting up.
        However last thursday 29th april i had 2 placed in the first leg of the quadpot.This was the 6pm at brighton a10 runner handicap where prices ranged from 4-1fav to 16-1 for the 2 outsiders.6 horses were priced between 4-1 and 15-2(quite open betting on appearance).The hoses talking the placings were priced at
        1.ocean countess 15-2
        2.my learned friend 5-1
        3.purus 10-1
        The tote place dividends paid 1.10,1.10,10.60.
        I know these dividends have no real bearing on placepots or quadpots as they are seperate pools but just though i would highlight how volatile the place pools can be .They contain very little money and any decent sized bet would have a huge affect on the dividends.The return on purus may look great value but how much of a bet would have altered the dividend.


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        • #5
          It’s not possible to say how large a bet has to be to affect a pool Trader68 but I will tell you this FWIW.
          Bookmakers control the prices on each race via the ring. The last thing they want are surprises. The days of the stable coup are over, betting stables and owners will make bookmakers aware that they intend to back their runner.
          The extended connections will be vary aware that they are more than welcome to bet in the pool (no one gets hit) everybody in the same pot.
          That happens a lot these days, worth noting the pool returns on the results at times.
          In the race you mentioned ,winner 15/2 pays £4.00 in the win pool for the 6th fav. Stable lads ‘n lasses were all over that one. Fair play to them, thumbs up from the rails too no doubt. All the above of course is just my opinion.

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