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    Hi,
    There is a bug with bet persistence, and I loose a lot of money due this bug, and decided to write it here at last, after another big loss from a thin air. I trade horse pre race markets very near to the start. My default bet persistence is set to "take SP", and sometimes I need to set my stakes on ladder to "IP Cancel", I do that, but however at the start it gets somehow matched !!! I double check that these stakes is set to cancel... but sometimes they gets matched, it works randomly... It is very expensive and frustrating. Same shit was with the older versions too, so it is not new API.

    Please fix all the bugs! Today I was f****d up with another bug after runner removal market gets suspended. Today alone I lost more than 100 of my hard earned money from your bugs.

  • #2
    The unmatched bets window in the main info bar shows the bet persistence for the bet.

    Are these showing the expected bet persistence?

    What's new in version 1.2

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    • #3
      Hey if it was Ayr 14:20 i was on that market, they suspended to remove the horse and never got the market back up. It stayed suspended for the rest of the race. Like you i also trade pre live and went to see in bf website if the market was open, and it was....

      I managed to close a good profit... making head calculations to make an hedge and after 4 bets i managed to kind of hedge so.. i had a good profit but i was mad about it. Why did it went suspended in the API but in the website the market was fine, in live, and open... Well at least thanks to my fast response and a lot of luck i didn't burn most of my stake..

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      • #4
        Yes, it shows that these bets will be canceled, but in reality sometimes they are not, and markets take them SP. After market gets inplay these stakes should be marked as "matched with SP", however they are not! There are no mark on them. This random thing with bet persistence was happening then "default bet persistence" was set to "cancel" and I was changing them to "take SP", sometimes it just doesn't work. Please notice that I am changing these stakes settings by clicking right mouse button on the ladder and pressing on "IP cancel" ...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Coisito View Post
          Hey if it was Ayr 14:20 i was on that market, they suspended to remove the horse and never got the market back up. It stayed suspended for the rest of the race. Like you i also trade pre live and went to see in bf website if the market was open, and it was....

          I managed to close a good profit... making head calculations to make an hedge and after 4 bets i managed to kind of hedge so.. i had a good profit but i was mad about it. Why did it went suspended in the API but in the website the market was fine, in live, and open... Well at least thanks to my fast response and a lot of luck i didn't burn most of my stake..
          We have identified the cause and fixed this for a release due later today.

          What's new in version 1.2

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          • #6
            Hey if it was Ayr 14:20 i was on that market, they suspended to remove the horse and never got the market back up. It stayed suspended for the rest of the race. Like you i also trade pre live and went to see in bf website if the market was open, and it was....
            Lucky you I opened BF site with this market, I was looking for GREENing button, I can swear that I saw something similar not so far in the past, how to get out of the market. However I did not find anything, and in race is too fast for me to think how to hedge manually.
            Last edited by dovj; 12 November 2014, 04:05 PM. Reason: forgot to quote

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dovj View Post
              Lucky you I opened BF site with this market, I was looking for GREENing button, I can swear that I saw something similar not so far in the past, how to get out of the market. However I did not find anything, and in race is too fast for me to think how to hedge manually.
              For me began with, i had x amount open, closed the same amount at diferent odd. So i had profit with no hedge, i know that we have the green option on the website but i never used so, thinking fast, i watched on the suspended geek ladder that at odd 32 i had that amount of profit, and made a second bet of 75% of that profit value, and then made some minimum bets to the 100% of that value but sice i catch some lower odds i could have had more profit but hey... about 80% of the stake and no loosing about 75% of that same stake.. not bad for a big scare moment

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Coisito View Post
                Hey if it was Ayr 14:20 i was on that market, they suspended to remove the horse and never got the market back up. It stayed suspended for the rest of the race. Like you i also trade pre live and went to see in bf website if the market was open, and it was....

                I managed to close a good profit... making head calculations to make an hedge and after 4 bets i managed to kind of hedge so.. i had a good profit but i was mad about it. Why did it went suspended in the API but in the website the market was fine, in live, and open... Well at least thanks to my fast response and a lot of luck i didn't burn most of my stake..
                This should be fixed in the latest release.

                What's new in version 1.2

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dovj View Post
                  Hi,
                  There is a bug with bet persistence, and I loose a lot of money due this bug, and decided to write it here at last, after another big loss from a thin air. I trade horse pre race markets very near to the start. My default bet persistence is set to "take SP", and sometimes I need to set my stakes on ladder to "IP Cancel", I do that, but however at the start it gets somehow matched !!! I double check that these stakes is set to cancel... but sometimes they gets matched, it works randomly... It is very expensive and frustrating. Same shit was with the older versions too, so it is not new API.

                  Please fix all the bugs! Today I was f****d up with another bug after runner removal market gets suspended. Today alone I lost more than 100 of my hard earned money from your bugs.

                  OK first can you download and install the latest version as that has a number of fixes in it.

                  Tomorrow can you open the market on the Betfair website side by side with GT and run a few tests. Each time you change the bet persistence on GT { in the way you were doing it today}, refresh the my bets on the Betfair website and tell me if the persistence shows there the same or if is still the old persistence, and if it's wrong how often .

                  Also not sure if you realise but when you have a cancel or keep bet in the market, the Betfair SP reconciliation process uses all the SP bets, plus any outstanding money in the markets to generate its SP once the market suspends.

                  So for instance if you have a lay bet @ 4 and the SP settles @ 3.9 it takes and matches your lay bet in the process.

                  What's new in version 1.2

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Geek View Post
                    Also not sure if you realise but when you have a cancel or keep bet in the market, the Betfair SP reconciliation process uses all the SP bets, plus any outstanding money in the markets to generate its SP once the market suspends.

                    So for instance if you have a lay bet @ 4 and the SP settles @ 3.9 it takes and matches your lay bet in the process.
                    Hi,
                    Not sure that I got this, so this means that if have Lay Cancel bet on @4, and current price that moment is 4.2, then market suspends with 3.9 SP, my money gets matched with this price, even it was set to cancel? And if the market suspends with 4.1 SP my bet is canceled how it should be, because SP did not reached that bet price?

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                    • #11


                      Yes, BF will use money on the exchange to help balance the SP process if needed.

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                      • #12
                        Whats the point to set stakes to "Cancel" or "Keep" if bf eats your stakes randomly when it needed ??
                        So there is no point doing these changes in trading, because trader is not controlling it when needed.

                        I suppose there is no bug anymore. It's just lack of information about "CANCEL sometimes is SP, when bf decides"

                        Have a nice day, never ever leaving stakes set to cancel anymore in the markets...

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