countries where betfair.com is available

[flok]

hey, it's an idea! i need to ask to some friends if there are different rules there...

i wonder if in the vatican they can use betfair...
when i was a art student i had a badge that allowed me enter every museum for free, and when i went to the vatican museum the fu***rs told me "but we're not in italy".
(but they get a lot of public money from the government... in this case they dont remember that they're NOT italy? like a cancer in the middle of rome... evil )

edit: we were thinking the same thing at the same moment catweazle

[3virgul14]

UK Traders, can you just confirm that your response time or ping is 20ms or better? What I know is the servers are in Dublin not in London, but only UK traders are given the privilege to be connected to Dublin directly.

The rest of us go through Malta , which leaves us with 70-100ms at least.

I would lovely watch a video about your pings.

this is very interesting, i didnt know there was such a big difference with ping... if i had 20ms here i'd have less losses, cause often i cant remove my stakes from the ladder before they get taken, and 0,2 seconds can seem like nothing, but they can make a difference sometimes.

i wouldnt necessarily need to find a job, cause i already work with italian companies through internet (so i dont need to go to the office, i work from my computer )
but i'm open to very possibility... "the world is a book and if you dont travel you read only one page". right?

[layallday]

UK Traders, can you just confirm that your response time or ping is 20ms or better? What I know is the servers are in Dublin not in London, but only UK traders are given the privilege to be connected to Dublin directly.

The rest of us go through Malta , which leaves us with 70-100ms at least.

I would lovely watch a video about your pings.

Im not in UK, but my route goes to amsterdam, london, dublin, so its not only UK who has low ping times

[3virgul14]

How is that possible? Can you post some in-play screenshots or a recording with ping times my friend?

Im not in UK, but my route goes to amsterdam, london, dublin, so its not only UK who has low ping times

[Temujin]

i found an updated list on the betfair forum.
reading the topic, i saw that there are diferent info from different people about the same country... strange.
also, i dont understand clearly the meaning of "Australia: YES (no in play)".
if you back a horse before the race and want to lay it in-play? you can't? the market gets suspended at the start?
90% of my trading is inplay... prerace i only feed coins to the bots

Albania: YES
Argentina: YES
Australia: YES (no in play)
Austria: YES
Barbados: NO
Belgium: NO
Bolivia: YES
Bosnia-Herzegovina: YES
Brazil: YES
Bulgaria: YES
Cambodia: YES
Canada: YES
Chile: YES
China: NO
Colombia: YES
Costa Rica: YES
Croatia: YES
Cyprus: NO
Czech Republic: YES
Denmark: YES
Ecuador: YES
Egypt: YES
Estonia: YES
Falkland Islands: YES
Finland: YES
France: NO
Gambia: YES
Germany: NO
Greece: YES
Guatemala: YES
Holland: YES
Honduras: YES
Hong Kong: YES
India: YES
Indonesia: YES
Ireland: YES
Italy: NO (separate exchange .it coming soon)
Japan: YES
Jordan: NO
Laos: NO/YES (latest reports suggest NO)
Latvia: YES
Lithuania: YES
Macau: YES
Macedonia: YES
Malaysia: YES (but unsure of legality...)
Mali: YES
Malta: YES (but no Poker or Multiples)
Mexico: YES
Moldova: YES
Montenegro : YES
Namibia: YES
Nepal: YES
New Zealand: YES
Nicaragua: YES
Norway: YES
Oman: YES (legality uncertain)
Panama: YES
Philipines: YES
Poland: YES
Portugal: YES
Romania: YES
Russia: YES
Serbia: YES
Singapore: YES
Slovakia: YES
Slovenia: YES
Spain: NO
South Africa: YES
South Korea: YES
Sweden: YES
Thailand: YES It worked last month when i was there, in play as well
Turkey: NO
Ukraine: YES
UAE (Dubai): NO
United Kingdom: YES
USA: NO
Vietnam: YES

The rules in Australia are a little strange. The no in play law was collateral damage for sports with the law being no betting on live events being online pokies and casino games.

Originally there was simply no in play at all. But a few years ago now (probably 5 or 6?) BF tested the definition of the law as to somehow differentiating horse racing and sports, and opened in play up for horse racing markets. I am not sure how they can do this but not for sports, but rest assured, if you are into in play betting on the races, you should be fine here. The law only prevents, or BF, live betting on sports.
For things such as cricket, at least for test matches, once play is closed for the day, the market is available again for us, and possibly for something like golf overnight also.

You will have to be careful on harness racing, as some of these markets don't go in play due to liquidity, but there won't be enough to trade for you to really warrant trading them anyway.

So to confirm, gallops win markets in Australia are definitely available to bet during the race No place markets on any racing go in play, and sports not available either.

Our sports obviously do go in play though, as many tennis, cricket traders are aware, it is just Australians are blocked from betting online in these markets.

Gallops
Win, YES
Place, NO

Harness,
Melton, Menangle, Albion Park WIN YES
Place, NO
Some others also available, but just check.

Greyhounds,
Win, NO
Place, NO.

[Temujin]

It also might be of note that we also have additional charges for our racing if you get involved.
50+ markets where you have a back bet on any racing for the week not held in Victoria or Queensland opens you up to the turnover charge.
Turnover charge being the racing bodies setting their costs as a turnover model which basically fcuked BF in the ass.
eg.
They pay 1.5% of every dollar matched as a back bet.
So say you back for 1000 in the market, and lay for 1010, making 10 bucks, you will pay commission of say 5% on your 10 bucks, netting BF 50 cents, but they have charges of 1,000 * 1.5%, or 15 dollars for the turnover you created.

And don't foget, when I say "say 5%" in regards to commission, I actually mean up to 6.5% due to this charge causing an increase in base turnover for all racing markets, regardless of the charging model they initiate.


That wasn't even the point of this post.
The point, was that today marked the first Group 1 of the Autumn, so the racing is definitely picking up in regards to quality over the next couple of months with all the top class horses starting their Autumn campaigns.

But yeah, be very careful with Aus markets, as you really need a degree to even know what you are allowed to bet on, let alone how the different charges effect you betting on them.

[flok]

i never traded aus markets and didnt know about this turnover charge... it's a real pain in the ***, to not be free to trade on how many markets we wish...

the new rumors about the exchange .it is that betfair will have to pay to the italian government 20% of the commission.

so, if i earn 100, i'll pay 6,5 to betfair and betfair will pay 1,3 to the government.
but it's not sure yet, we're waiting for more info

[layallday]

How is that possible? Can you post some in-play screenshots or a recording with ping times my friend?

Tracing route to betfair.com [84.20.200.28]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 10.138.x.x
3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms x-dr102-vl202.core.as9143.net [213.51.x.x]
4 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms vnn-rc0001-cr101-ae4-0.core.as9143.net [213.51.158.252]
5 20 ms 7 ms 9 ms asd-tr0042-cr101-ae6-0.core.as9143.net [213.51.158.78]
6 10 ms 9 ms 7 ms adm-b7-link.telia.net [80.239.135.165]
7 8 ms 7 ms 9 ms adm-bb4-link.telia.net [80.91.245.244]
8 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms adm-b4-link.telia.net [213.155.137.181]
9 8 ms 8 ms 14 ms xe-8-2-0.edge4.Amsterdam1.level3.net [4.68.62.97]
10 28 ms 27 ms 29 ms vl-3506-ve-120.csw1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.162.182]
11 27 ms 26 ms 27 ms ae-59-114.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.153.197]
12 27 ms 28 ms 28 ms ae-44-44.ebr2.London15.Level3.net [4.69.167.45]
13 26 ms 26 ms 27 ms ae-1-8.bar1.Dublin1.Level3.net [4.69.153.230]
14 28 ms 27 ms 28 ms ae-1-4.bar1.Dublin3.Level3.net [4.69.153.238]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 195.16.170.54 reports: Destination net unreachable.

Trace complete.

[flok]

never seen something similar. when it's good, my ping stays between 100 and 300.
(but consider that i have a wifi connection with antenna on the roof, not cable).

[3virgul14]

Frankfurt - Paris - Dublin ?

Maybe this is not the route that API follows> it might be only web protocol





Tracing route to betfair.com [84.20.200.28]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.254 [192.168.1.254]
2 21 ms 21 ms 21 ms rsr1-ip4.net.telekom.hu [145.236.223.196]
3 22 ms 22 ms 21 ms tge0-4-0-6-2105.er0-angyalfold.net.telekom.hu [8
4.1.85.156]
4 24 ms 21 ms 29 ms xe-0-0-3.ic0-ip2.net.telekom.hu [81.183.1.86]
5 22 ms 22 ms 21 ms 81.183.1.102
6 29 ms 31 ms 31 ms 194.25.210.177
7 41 ms 50 ms 40 ms 217.239.39.2
8 40 ms 40 ms 39 ms 62.157.250.74
9 66 ms 65 ms 65 ms vlan90.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.254]

10 66 ms 65 ms 66 ms ae-91-91.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.13
]
11 68 ms 68 ms 68 ms ae-46-46.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.143.138]
12 70 ms 68 ms 67 ms ae-2-12.bar1.Dublin3.Level3.net [4.69.153.241]
13 195.16.170.54 reports: Destination net unreachable.

[Steven1976]

Thailand is ilegal for gambling but you can access the API and most IP are okay to access the regular site although a couple block it via the site. So you would probably struggle to open an account based on being in thailand but as bf probably get a lot of money dropped onto their football markets from Asia they will do all they can to turn a blind eye.

[custard]

My experience of Thailand tells me that accessing Betfair is very difficult. It is definitely illegal but an individual would be unlikely to fall foul of the law unless he tried to use it for placing other people's bets i.e. if he set himself up as a bookmaker using Betfair, he would be very likely to be arrested.

I have come to terms with the fact that my eventual resettlement to Thailand will mean that my trading days will be at an end.

[Steven1976]

I've lived here for 13 years custard and I can assure you there is no problem using bf. There are also some quite big football traders here trading for a few years. Some internet providers block the betfair website but most are okay and the API is open on all IP that I have ever tried.

[Steven1976]

The only way you would have a problem would be if the police thought you were making a lot of money and wanted their share considering they run most of the underground casinos. Its quite funny actually because gambling is illegal and yet they have publications with different match odds published and I think I even remember ladbrokes adverts on them!

[custard]

The only way you would have a problem would be if the police thought you were making a lot of money and wanted their share considering they run most of the underground casinos. Its quite funny actually because gambling is illegal and yet they have publications with different match odds published and I think I even remember ladbrokes adverts on them!

I have lived there too and there is a cap on the knowledge that can be acquired. People work with counterfeit qualifications and while it suits the powers that be all is well. Then, one day, past misdemeanours are "discovered", the guy is arrested and deported.

Soi 11/1 Sukhumwit is the ultimate example of being "quite funny". Gold chained gangsters sit around a table playing "hilo" drinking whiskey or eating ice cream depending on the time of day. The head honcho even has his moll massaging his shoulders and this surreal scene continues day after day. Less than ten yards away stands a traffic cop at the end of the soi who doesn't see anything. Any farangs daft enough to attempt playing a rubber of bridge at Gullivers, just a couple of streets away are rounded up immediately.

Steve and I can use Betfair in Thailand but it would be unwise for anybody to enter the Kingdom with the specific intention of doing so. I have resolved not to use Betfair in Thailand again because the stakes are literally too high for me. I cannot afford to be deported to the UK after having invested all my capital in my new home. The only way out for me would be for me to attain Thai citizenship. For this I would need to be reasonably fluent in Thai and be a resident paying income tax for three years. Not an easy option, is it ?

Illegal gambling is rife in Thailand but it is too dangerous for Westerners.