Horse Racing in OZ - Page 2

Temujin · 3rd November 2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles49

Mixed results here...
Whobegotya was $3.50 when I wrote above.....firmed into around $2.9...then went out again...
Rangirandoo created history by running a race record.
Lady Lynette ($7) and Avenue ($1.65) both won whilst Bank Robber grabbed third at nice odds (20/1)

Wonder what the attraction is at Cairns these days for traders..?? DJB and Temujin are both making their way northwards....maybe they have fast internet speeds up there??

Pretty sure the attraction to Cairns for traders has nothing to do with the internet speed. This place is crazy for a perv. Never seen anything like it, let alone everywhere you look...

Charles49 · 3rd November 2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Temujin

Pretty sure the attraction to Cairns for traders has nothing to do with the internet speed. This place is crazy for a perv. Never seen anything like it, let alone everywhere you look...

Its all those Scandanavian back packers who like to travel light...so light in fact that they sunbake in local parks topless

.....maybe you could take a pic and submit it as Honey of the Day.??
I do feel for you though. Its hard enough trading as it is without major distractions like that!!!

Charles49 · 4th November 2009, 07:27 PM

Today its the last major race of the Spring Carnival.For those who like the sweet smell of small profits then try the Bart Cummings trained Faint Perfume in the Oaks.

Charles49 · 5th November 2009, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles49

Today its the last major race of the Spring Carnival.For those who like the sweet smell of small profits then try the Bart Cummings trained Faint Perfume in the Oaks.

No fancy price but it got the goodies

Temujin · 6th November 2009, 02:51 AM

Yep, managed to miss the biggest carnival of the year...

Oh well, plenty more races to fill the void...

Charles49 · 6th November 2009, 10:18 PM

Big race here to finish off the carnival is the Emirates Stakes.
My opinion is lay the fav So You Think currently at $3.25 and trade it out for a green at $3.65 or better. Dont think it is value as its against older horses today and Flemington is not conducive to front runners.

Charles49 · 7th November 2009, 07:46 PM

So You Think drifted from $3.25 and I greened out at $4 so that was a good result. It did look the winner 150m out but as predicted front runners find it tough at Flemington and it was run down by an outsider in All American.

Charles49 · 13th November 2009, 08:53 PM

Hard day at Sandown today. I like Kidnapped in Race 6. Big horse with a big heart and he'll come home hard in this. I thought Zipping was a risk today despite the dogs barking it as home and hosed. Its currently $4.80 on BF and I expect it will go out to around $6. Lay the current price if you can and green out around $5.60.
One horse that will give you a good run for your money is Jungle Ruler. Currently around the $10 mark so back it each way.
Good luck.

Mullyman · 13th November 2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles49

Hard day at Sandown today. I like Kidnapped in Race 6. Big horse with a big heart and he'll come home hard in this. I thought Zipping was a risk today despite the dogs barking it as home and hosed. Its currently $4.80 on BF and I expect it will go out to around $6. Lay the current price if you can and green out around $5.60.
One horse that will give you a good run for your money is Jungle Ruler. Currently around the $10 mark so back it each way.
Good luck.

Please! If jungle ruler wins this I'll give the game away!

Temujin · 14th November 2009, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullyman

Please! If jungle ruler wins this I'll give the game away!

2nd? Out of interest, what real job will you get when one of these outrageous claims of yours gets up? Picked one yet?

Charles49 · 14th November 2009, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullyman

Please! If jungle ruler wins this I'll give the game away!

Hehe....ran second at 15/1 so you can stay in the game Mully.

Kidnapped won, Zipping drifted from $4.80 to $5.70.(small amount bet at $6) before shortening. It won the Sandown Classic for third year in a row.

Mullyman · 16th November 2009, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Temujin

2nd? Out of interest, what real job will you get when one of these outrageous claims of yours gets up? Picked one yet?

It seems 'Chief Knobjockey' has been taken... You do a great job so I'll keep my hat out of the ring there...clown

unless they changed the rules recently, 2nd isn't 1st these days is it?

But fair play Charles, well done on picking the value runner... Nice work

Charles49 · 16th November 2009, 03:47 AM

Thanks Mully....you are most welcome to put your two bobs worth in anytime you wish.

Temujin · 16th November 2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullyman

It seems 'Chief Knobjockey' has been taken... You do a great job so I'll keep my hat out of the ring there...clown

unless they changed the rules recently, 2nd isn't 1st these days is it?

But fair play Charles, well done on picking the value runner... Nice work

2nd is pretty close to first where I come from. Close enough to think about what you will do when one of these horses comes first that you have declared so unlikely that you will quit risking money on horse racing.

Either way, I don't have any time for people that have no ability to discuss anything and are here merely to attack people personally with name calling and trying to put people down who are giving out their opinions to get some discussion going.
6 posts, 4 personal attacks, and 1 trying to make them feel stupid? Nice going. Glad to have you on board here... Hmmm.

Have a nice day.

Mullyman · 16th November 2009, 04:21 PM

Awwwww, don't be like that, darling

Charles49 · 20th November 2009, 10:53 PM

Ok Guys...the spotlight is on the $1m race at Ascot in Perth today.
My thoughts for the first four and exotics are:
Ortensia, Gold Salute, All American with longshot chances to Largo Lad and Tarzi.
Jockey Paul Harvey has an excellent book today and you could do a lot worse than have a dollar on each of his rides, namely Catch A Dream, Thorn Dancer, Stars Aligned and Tarzi.
Harvey has an outstanding strike rate and I have a very high opinion of him as a jockey.
Hope you find a winner or two here.

Charles49 · 27th November 2009, 09:28 PM

Two Specials for today.
Lucky Secret Ascot Race 6 no 1
Amerino Moonee Valley Race 7 No 1.

Charles49 · 28th November 2009, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles49

Two Specials for today.
Lucky Secret Ascot Race 6 no 1
Amerino Moonee Valley Race 7 No 1.

Lucky Secret is a scratching so we will switch to another secret horse in Waratahs Secret to be ridden by top jock Paul Harvey.

Charles49 · 5th December 2009, 12:12 AM

Plenty of winners around today.
Here's hoping these will be among them.
Emmas Heart Race 6 in Doomben
African Prince Race 7 In Rosehill
Sheedy in Race 8 in Caulfield
Have fun.

Charles49 · 7th December 2009, 02:49 AM

Interesting Cyberhorse article follows about behavior at major race events.
Does this problem exist outside Australia or is it peculiar to here???

Ugly Behaviour Hinders Carnival

Brawls with police and security guards. Drug and excessive alcohol consumption. Glassing incidents.

No it’s not a nightclub precinct, its Flemington or Caulfield on a sunny Saturday afternoon and the nonsense must stop now.

Racing can’t afford to be associated with such despicable behaviour but the mentalities of many associated with the industry must change before progression can be achieved.

As the many loyal followers of the Virtual Formguide would already realise, I’m a fairly new addition to the Cyberhorse stable commencing my duties at the start of this year.

Previous to my employment I’d been going to the races for as long as I care to remember and have always been besotted by the notion of ‘a day at the races’.

And it’s been due to my job as a racing writer that this year was the first time I’d been present at all metropolitan meetings throughout the Melbourne Spring Carnival.

It has undoubtedly been a big thrill to be trackside – an experience I’ll never forget. But as the carnival has expired, it has continued to leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

While I will have fond memories of Bart Cummings conquering all before him in the Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate and the amazing victory by All Silent in the Patinack Farm Sprint, memories of patrons involved in scuffles, underage drinking and being a general nuisance will prove equally indelible.

Relying on public transport to attend most meetings, I’ve lost count of the amount of times I saw fights break out between patrons after the last race.

Not to mention the vomiting fits from those drug and alcohol affected and the unprovoked verbal assaults – which often led to more - for an awkward sideways glance.

The fight above platform twelve at Southern Cross Station just after 7pm on Oaks Day between two young men made Steve Price and Brett White look like incompetent fighters.

But I believe this lewd behaviour from racegoers has got to such a point, that people – even those there for the social occasion – are thinking twice about attending.

And well there isn’t much in it for the pro-punter to be trackside, rubbing shoulders with dishevelled teenagers that by the end of the day lie strewn across the lawns like extras on the set of a Tarantino movie.

80,112 people attended Oaks Day, the lowest third day crowd in eleven years and more then 15,000 people less than last year when the Melbourne Cup Carnival became a pre-ticketed event.

The crowd on Caulfield Cup day was 43,200 down from 51,100 people the following year. The Cox Plate crowd was a moderate 31,000, down from 42,000 only two years ago, and the four-day crowd aggregate at Flemington for the carnival was down by 30,000 paying customers from last year.

Racing officials didn’t have the weather to blame for any raceday during the carnival, but they do have the vague but slightly understandable excuse of the global financial crisis affecting crowd numbers.

Emirates Stakes Day was a lovely day and it was a pleasing spectacle to see plenty of young children in the crowd with parents. But that didn’t mask the menace of slightly older drunken louts roaming the racecourse.

Police ejected 346 people – yes that number is correct - from Saturday’s meeting at Flemington and arrested a further 14 individuals.

Many of the ejections were for under age drinking, people carrying false IDs or not carrying identification at all.

Eleven of the arrests were for drunkenness but there were three individuals on summary offences for using foul language or behaving in an offensive manner on the aptly named ‘Family Day’.

But when VRC Chief Executive Dale Monteith was asked by the Herald Sun about crowd behaviour over the Flemington Carnival he said “we’re very happy with the numbers and the behaviour.”

100 people were kicked off the course at Moonee Valley on Cox Plate day and many more arrested but Inspector Nigel Howard commented “Overall, it's been a great day weather-wise and the crowd behaviour has been pretty good.”

See a trend here?

The same cliché line was trotted out again by Inspector Clive Rust after 24 people were arrested and 30 others ejected from the Caulfield Cup.

"Overall the crowd (was) very well behaved," Inspector Clive Rust told the AAP.

"However, late in the afternoon there were a few disturbances which marred (the) otherwise good day."

After 74 people – out of a 12,600 crowd - were booted out of Eagle Farm racecourse on Melbourne Cup day, with another four arrested and one to face court action after allegedly attacking police, Inspector John Flanagan described the crowd to the AAP as “well-behaved” and thanked the patrons for making it a “safe and fun day”.

The expression of “don't spit on my cupcake and tell me its frosting” as famously used in the courtroom by Judge Judy immediately springs to mind.

Who are the police trying to fool?

And then the racing administrators will try to tell you is that since the Melbourne Cup Carnival became a ticketed event in 2006, there has been a 75% reduction in the amount of arrests.

But what about the percentage of ejections. I’m almost certain they have risen alarmingly as the primary method of police enforcement at the moment seems to be all about evicting rowdy patrons and wiping their hands of the problem in the interim.

One Melbourne daily newspaper defended the crowd on Caulfield Cup day noting that all the arrests on Cup Day were all outside the racetrack.

If that is indeed correct, you'd be dellusional to suggest those arrests aren't linked with the races. Those ejected have to go somewhere and if anything, leaving the racetrack is indeed the most dangerous time for right-minded patrons. The nearby precinct is no place to linger.

The other daily newspaper in Melbourne positioned its story about the drop in crowds over the Flemington Carnival and crowd behaviour on page 19 of its Sunday paper, opting to put a cute photo of two young racegoers rather than a picture of one of the 346 patrons booted out.

Well talk about ‘sugar-coating’ abhorrent behaviour.

Such concessions weren’t made when seven fans were ejected from the Telstra Dome during a regular season game in December 2007 between A-League teams Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC.

It made front and back page news with unflattering images plastered all over the papers.

This unfavourable media coverage was also applied when a handful of patrons were evicted from an outer court during the 2008 Australian Open after police resorted to using capsicum spray.

These unsavoury incidents were rightly condemned by the media. However in this instance it hasn’t occurred.

What good can be gained from denying and disguising a glaring problem? The mass media, the police and relevant racing authorities should come clean about the issues that face the sport.

The latter two should look at enforcing adequate strategies to prevent more repeats of these booze-fuelled events into next year.

Those that were caught flouting the law by drinking underage at Flemington during the carnival were slapped with a miserly $58 on the spot fine.

Is that really enough of a deterrent if we are making a concerted effort against underage drinking?

People are voting with their feet and now is the time to refine the product with the aim of retaining only the finest elements of the spring carnival.

Now might even be the time to promote the racehorse more, after all that is the reason people go to the spring carnival, right?

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4th November 2009, 07:27 PM	#23
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Today its the last major race of the Spring Carnival.For those who like the sweet smell of small profits then try the Bart Cummings trained Faint Perfume in the Oaks.

6th November 2009, 02:51 AM	#25
Temujin Australian Cultural Attaché Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,530 Thanks: 493 Thanked 1,014 Times in 494 Posts	Yep, managed to miss the biggest carnival of the year... Oh well, plenty more races to fill the void...

6th November 2009, 10:18 PM	#26
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Big race here to finish off the carnival is the Emirates Stakes. My opinion is lay the fav So You Think currently at $3.25 and trade it out for a green at $3.65 or better. Dont think it is value as its against older horses today and Flemington is not conducive to front runners.

7th November 2009, 07:46 PM	#27
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	So You Think drifted from $3.25 and I greened out at $4 so that was a good result. It did look the winner 150m out but as predicted front runners find it tough at Flemington and it was run down by an outsider in All American.

13th November 2009, 08:53 PM	#28
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Hard day at Sandown today. I like Kidnapped in Race 6. Big horse with a big heart and he'll come home hard in this. I thought Zipping was a risk today despite the dogs barking it as home and hosed. Its currently $4.80 on BF and I expect it will go out to around $6. Lay the current price if you can and green out around $5.60. One horse that will give you a good run for your money is Jungle Ruler. Currently around the $10 mark so back it each way. Good luck.

16th November 2009, 03:47 AM	#33
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Thanks Mully....you are most welcome to put your two bobs worth in anytime you wish.

16th November 2009, 04:21 PM	#35
Mullyman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 33 Thanks: 5 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Awwwww, don't be like that, darling

20th November 2009, 10:53 PM	#36
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Ok Guys...the spotlight is on the $1m race at Ascot in Perth today. My thoughts for the first four and exotics are: Ortensia, Gold Salute, All American with longshot chances to Largo Lad and Tarzi. Jockey Paul Harvey has an excellent book today and you could do a lot worse than have a dollar on each of his rides, namely Catch A Dream, Thorn Dancer, Stars Aligned and Tarzi. Harvey has an outstanding strike rate and I have a very high opinion of him as a jockey. Hope you find a winner or two here.

27th November 2009, 09:28 PM	#37
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Two Specials for today. Lucky Secret Ascot Race 6 no 1 Amerino Moonee Valley Race 7 No 1.

5th December 2009, 12:12 AM	#39
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Plenty of winners around today. Here's hoping these will be among them. Emmas Heart Race 6 in Doomben African Prince Race 7 In Rosehill Sheedy in Race 8 in Caulfield Have fun.

7th December 2009, 02:49 AM	#40
Charles49 Forum Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Northside Posts: 265 Thanks: 35 Thanked 87 Times in 60 Posts	Interesting Cyberhorse article follows about behavior at major race events. Does this problem exist outside Australia or is it peculiar to here??? Ugly Behaviour Hinders Carnival Brawls with police and security guards. Drug and excessive alcohol consumption. Glassing incidents. No it’s not a nightclub precinct, its Flemington or Caulfield on a sunny Saturday afternoon and the nonsense must stop now. Racing can’t afford to be associated with such despicable behaviour but the mentalities of many associated with the industry must change before progression can be achieved. As the many loyal followers of the Virtual Formguide would already realise, I’m a fairly new addition to the Cyberhorse stable commencing my duties at the start of this year. Previous to my employment I’d been going to the races for as long as I care to remember and have always been besotted by the notion of ‘a day at the races’. And it’s been due to my job as a racing writer that this year was the first time I’d been present at all metropolitan meetings throughout the Melbourne Spring Carnival. It has undoubtedly been a big thrill to be trackside – an experience I’ll never forget. But as the carnival has expired, it has continued to leave a bitter taste in my mouth. While I will have fond memories of Bart Cummings conquering all before him in the Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate and the amazing victory by All Silent in the Patinack Farm Sprint, memories of patrons involved in scuffles, underage drinking and being a general nuisance will prove equally indelible. Relying on public transport to attend most meetings, I’ve lost count of the amount of times I saw fights break out between patrons after the last race. Not to mention the vomiting fits from those drug and alcohol affected and the unprovoked verbal assaults – which often led to more - for an awkward sideways glance. The fight above platform twelve at Southern Cross Station just after 7pm on Oaks Day between two young men made Steve Price and Brett White look like incompetent fighters. But I believe this lewd behaviour from racegoers has got to such a point, that people – even those there for the social occasion – are thinking twice about attending. And well there isn’t much in it for the pro-punter to be trackside, rubbing shoulders with dishevelled teenagers that by the end of the day lie strewn across the lawns like extras on the set of a Tarantino movie. 80,112 people attended Oaks Day, the lowest third day crowd in eleven years and more then 15,000 people less than last year when the Melbourne Cup Carnival became a pre-ticketed event. The crowd on Caulfield Cup day was 43,200 down from 51,100 people the following year. The Cox Plate crowd was a moderate 31,000, down from 42,000 only two years ago, and the four-day crowd aggregate at Flemington for the carnival was down by 30,000 paying customers from last year. Racing officials didn’t have the weather to blame for any raceday during the carnival, but they do have the vague but slightly understandable excuse of the global financial crisis affecting crowd numbers. Emirates Stakes Day was a lovely day and it was a pleasing spectacle to see plenty of young children in the crowd with parents. But that didn’t mask the menace of slightly older drunken louts roaming the racecourse. Police ejected 346 people – yes that number is correct - from Saturday’s meeting at Flemington and arrested a further 14 individuals. Many of the ejections were for under age drinking, people carrying false IDs or not carrying identification at all. Eleven of the arrests were for drunkenness but there were three individuals on summary offences for using foul language or behaving in an offensive manner on the aptly named ‘Family Day’. But when VRC Chief Executive Dale Monteith was asked by the Herald Sun about crowd behaviour over the Flemington Carnival he said “we’re very happy with the numbers and the behaviour.” 100 people were kicked off the course at Moonee Valley on Cox Plate day and many more arrested but Inspector Nigel Howard commented “Overall, it's been a great day weather-wise and the crowd behaviour has been pretty good.” See a trend here? The same cliché line was trotted out again by Inspector Clive Rust after 24 people were arrested and 30 others ejected from the Caulfield Cup. "Overall the crowd (was) very well behaved," Inspector Clive Rust told the AAP. "However, late in the afternoon there were a few disturbances which marred (the) otherwise good day." After 74 people – out of a 12,600 crowd - were booted out of Eagle Farm racecourse on Melbourne Cup day, with another four arrested and one to face court action after allegedly attacking police, Inspector John Flanagan described the crowd to the AAP as “well-behaved” and thanked the patrons for making it a “safe and fun day”. The expression of “don't spit on my cupcake and tell me its frosting” as famously used in the courtroom by Judge Judy immediately springs to mind. Who are the police trying to fool? And then the racing administrators will try to tell you is that since the Melbourne Cup Carnival became a ticketed event in 2006, there has been a 75% reduction in the amount of arrests. But what about the percentage of ejections. I’m almost certain they have risen alarmingly as the primary method of police enforcement at the moment seems to be all about evicting rowdy patrons and wiping their hands of the problem in the interim. One Melbourne daily newspaper defended the crowd on Caulfield Cup day noting that all the arrests on Cup Day were all outside the racetrack. If that is indeed correct, you'd be dellusional to suggest those arrests aren't linked with the races. Those ejected have to go somewhere and if anything, leaving the racetrack is indeed the most dangerous time for right-minded patrons. The nearby precinct is no place to linger. The other daily newspaper in Melbourne positioned its story about the drop in crowds over the Flemington Carnival and crowd behaviour on page 19 of its Sunday paper, opting to put a cute photo of two young racegoers rather than a picture of one of the 346 patrons booted out. Well talk about ‘sugar-coating’ abhorrent behaviour. Such concessions weren’t made when seven fans were ejected from the Telstra Dome during a regular season game in December 2007 between A-League teams Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC. It made front and back page news with unflattering images plastered all over the papers. This unfavourable media coverage was also applied when a handful of patrons were evicted from an outer court during the 2008 Australian Open after police resorted to using capsicum spray. These unsavoury incidents were rightly condemned by the media. However in this instance it hasn’t occurred. What good can be gained from denying and disguising a glaring problem? The mass media, the police and relevant racing authorities should come clean about the issues that face the sport. The latter two should look at enforcing adequate strategies to prevent more repeats of these booze-fuelled events into next year. Those that were caught flouting the law by drinking underage at Flemington during the carnival were slapped with a miserly $58 on the spot fine. Is that really enough of a deterrent if we are making a concerted effort against underage drinking? People are voting with their feet and now is the time to refine the product with the aim of retaining only the finest elements of the spring carnival. Now might even be the time to promote the racehorse more, after all that is the reason people go to the spring carnival, right?