Can you cancel a bet that is waiting for in-running delay

[liquid]

So I enter an in-running bet and its delayed for 5 seconds. Can I send a request to cancel it before it hits the market? There doesn't seem to be a way to do this in Geekstoy, so I assume the API does not permit it?

Thanks.

[jibiko]

You can't cancel something that doesn't exist
(at least, not in this situation).
Your initial bet has to hit the market first,
so as to exist as a bet and
then you can cancel it.

(in the meantime it's in the internet waves and
you can't get in touch with it).

[liquid]

Originally Posted by jibiko

You can't cancel something that doesn't exist
(at least, not in this situation).
Your initial bet has to hit the market first,
so as to exist as a bet and
then you can cancel it.

(in the meantime it's in the internet waves and
you can't get in touch with it).

Yes, I was thinking that since the delay is enforced server-side, your request should be acknowledged initially and perhaps at the point you would be given an identifier for the "bet" (even though it doesn't exist in the market yet), which you could use to cancel it.

[jibiko]

logical, but I think they don't do it this way.
or maybe they do (something like pending bet comes to my mind)
but still you can't cancel it until it hits the market as matched or unmatched bet

[liquid]

Originally Posted by jibiko

logical, but I think they don't do it this way.

Yeah, that's what I thought. An important thing to know for sure though Thanks for your replies.

[jibiko]

I am not the most relevant one to know something for sure,
but I think this is how it goes.

[shadowninja]

They say it's to allow people to cancel their bets as it is fairer. It's not that the delay is an problem on the server side; it's put there on purpose. I suppose if you are at a match and see a goal/red card, you could grab all prices if you could place bets instantly. It would be free money for anyone at the game.

[jibiko]

Maybe the bet delay is just another myth.
The point you make is correct and I acknowledge it.

But imho, your biggest enemy in-play is the bet submission in-play delay.
Maybe it seems odd but I think it is correct.

Your biggest enemy in-play (speaking about football) is not the goal,
the red card or anything else but the bet submission delay.

Example: You "see" the goal coming (a fast counterattack 4 vs 2 let's say).
You instantly click to close but the 5-8 seconds delay kill ya
because the counterattack lasts 4 seconds.

I prefer the markets to be unmanaged.
They already have them.
So it's "legal".
Why not all of them then?

In football in-play the delay varies 5-9 seconds.
An interesting notice I have made is that in 5 secs delay matches
I have almost double the number of trades than the 9 secs ones.
I have the freedom to move more because I can close faster whenever I want.
This "I want to close my position instantly whenever I want" is very important.
They dont give me this freedom now.
They limit me, they impose me this delay for my own good, but it is not.
I know my own good better than them.
The freedom to close whenever I want instantly, is my own good.
I am tired and sick of ppl deciding for me what it's best for me.
**** them. I know what is best for me.

They use the delay as an excuse to protect you,
like your above point, which is correct.
But...
Look in tennis or horses for example.
Courtsiders in tennis and fast feeds in horses can overcome this delay.
So you are not protected by it.
But they still have it, although they know it doesn't protect you.

-prolonging the delay is not a valid option,
like Paolo suggested once,
because it will kill scalping and will leave only positioning-.

Technically though, maybe even in football you cant use the term scalp.
What kind of a scalp that is with 8-9 seconds delay?
9 seconds delay in
9 seconds delay out
1 second to get matched

19 whole ****ing seconds for 1 tick?
that's not scalping.
that's a crusade.

I know my own good and the after-goal dudes, like Paolo says, dont cost me.
I can protect myself from them
(maybe its better to say I can absorb the losses incurred by them).
My biggest enemy is the imposing delay (I can absorb it too).
You can lose money alot of times by the delay.
A lot of times it happened to me when I submitted the closing bet.
I see the seconds countdown 5-4-3-2...goal.
I have been ****ed alot of times in this seconds countdown and that 3-2-1...goal.

And If you are observant,
you will see so many times
bets hit the market violating this delay
that you will get sick of seeing it on and on.
You will just become apathetic to them.

It is more than obvious to the "trained eye"
that big money bets hit the markets at crucial points without delay.
And we are not talking about crap amateur games,
but games with big liq like Barca-Real-Bayern-Inter.

In conclusion,
I think bet delay is the biggest enemy of
an in-play football scalper,
If you can use such a term.

[LuckyYou]

If I could cancel an in-running bets I would double my money lol I think even the question is stupid...IN-RUning is the same as pre-market but it has delay. What if you click in pre-market you would cancel the bet before it appears? I don't think so. Its the same in-running just you have delay...

[shadowninja]

Hm I know what you mean Jibiko but what can you do?

[jibiko]

Spread it.
Spread it until sports traders take the power back and
make it happen, if they want it.

Seeing man?

Originally Posted by LuckyYou

I think even the question is stupid

there are no stupid questions; just stupid answers .